Viable Cancer Treatment - John Barkhausen & Ray Peat

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2012-02-07-Progesterone 3 John Barkhausen + Ray Peat (transcript)

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JB: - John Barkhausen
RP: - Dr Raymond Peat 19361012 b. yyyymmdd

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RP: He has just honestly summarised the real cancer research showing that the deranged metabolism and structure is what causes the chromosomal damage. So instead of genes causing the tumour, the tumour causes the genetic defects. #55:52

JB: Which is the opposite of what we hear basically every day in our popular culture when people talk about cancers #56:00

RP: Yeah and when oncologists or cathologists says, “Your tissue shows abnormal cell division and the wrong number of chromosomes and such.” If you .. they said, “That means we have to cut it out, irradiate the tissue and so on.” But if you look at the fate of those deranged cells they going to live maybe to the next attempt to divide then they don’t have the right number of chromosomes ?bad ones? dying. They are very short life once they get to that deranged state. The death of the cell contributes to the inflammation of the area and so stopping the inflammation and energy deficit is always the solution to the problem #56:49

When, it is now recognised by some oncologists that the reason that malignant cancer reforms after they have irradiated the area or cut out the cancer or both. The reason is that it reforms stem cells are called into the inflamed area that has been treated and even if you irradiate a healthy area it will call stem cells in to try to repair the wound and if the irradiation deranged the fibrous material in that area you will produce a cancer from the irradiation. So whenever you injure a tissue by removing a tumour you are just guaranteeing that the body will try to repair the wound by sending in new cells which then turn into cancer cells that is if the area is still sick #57:46

JB: So they way to actually heal or to stay healthy is to make sure your cellular environment is a healthy one #57:55

RP: Yeah

JB: So for anti-inflammatory substances that people can use, progesterone is one of them and aspirin is another # 58:02

RP: Anti-histamines, going way back fifty years people were seeing that anti-histamines would occasionally cure a cancer but that just didn’t catch on in the profession #58:15

Aspirin, ten or fifteen years ago when I mentioned it to someone with cancer. They would like think, I was like the doctor saying, “Take an aspirin and call me later.” #58:28

JB: Call me from the next life. #58:29 (laughter)

So you are saying that progesterone and aspirin are actually viable cancer treatments? #58:37

RP: Yeah and some of the anti-histamines are definitely protective.#58:42

JB: Well all right if people want to read more about this they can find out lots of Ray Peat’s ideas at at That’s r-a-y-p-e-a-t,com. Where I think Ray you said you had seventy articles up there or so. #58:57

RP: Yeah I will be putting about a dozen more up in a couple of weeks I think #59:02

JB: And we have been talking to Dr Raymond Peat who has a PhD in Biology from the University of Oregon and with a speciality in Physiology and also has done extensive research in endocrinology and science history. #59:23

As always it has been a real pleasure to talk to you Ray. Thanks so much for coming on #59:28

RP: OK Thank you OK. #59:30

JB: That wraps it up for “Politics and Science” this week. Please tune in again next week for another edition of “Politics and Science.”

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